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ShinyDiscoBalls
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« on: March 13, 2010, 01:30:40 pm »

Hi

On very busy evenings e.g. last week there is a problem with lack of routes people can do on the main leading wall (first on the left) there seams to me to be a lack of easier routes. The wall seams to be very busy at the left end and the right end with absolutely no one in the middle section. Is it possible to put some easier routes up this part of the wall or is it too overhanging to put a few grade 4/5s up. I think this would make good routes to help train endurance climbing overhangs when clipping.

I think from what I see that most 70-80% of people lead climb from grade 4-6a and max out at 6b, so the walls should reflect this, there are huge areas for hard climbing on the old and new comp walls so more easy stuff on the main leading wall could work.

This is not a complaint only an observational feedback Grin, you do a great job and most of the routes are well set and very challenging.

Any comments?

SDB 
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Neil Mgeek
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« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2010, 06:42:58 pm »

Hi Shiny Disco Balls,
 
Thanks for the feedback.  We are always interested to find out what our customers feel could be done to improve the climbing in the arena.  I'm sorry to hear that you are struggling to find routes to try on the middle section of our main lead wall during busy periods.  Sadly, setting easier climbs (4's and 5's) up the steep middle sections of the main wall is a fairly tough proposition.
 
- Firstly, it is very hard to set anything below the grade of 6a on this area of climbing wall, due to the angle & sustained nature of the climbing.  I recently set the pink route up the least steep section of the main wall middle area & even though I used all of the biggest holds we own, it still weighs in at 6a.

- Secondly, this section of wall lends itself better to higher grade routes, as the angle is closer to the terrain found on these grades outdoors.  There are very few routes outdoors below the grade of 6b that overhang to this degree.  I accept that there are exceptions, but we try hard to simulate the outdoors as much as possible with our indoor routes.  We feel that this results in a better training facility and a more interesting climbing experience if grades of route are generally put on walls of relevant angles.

You are spot on with your observation regarding the bulk of our customers climbing in the middle grade range.  We currently have 38 full length lead climbs below 6b in the arena, 31 of which are on the main wall.  We also have 22 half height lead routes on the main wall below 6b.  We only have 21 routes in the 7's and 2 routes of 8a or above on the main wall.  We feel that this spread reflects the levels of our users very well. A possible solution could be to start attempting some of the harder routes to half height.  This would offer more variety in terms of the style of climb you include in your training sessions and would also develop other fitness components, such as strength endurance when leading. There are also some 5-6b routes tucked round the back of the Sardinian Pillar on the main wall that are worth checking out.

We are also in the the process of of re-setting the old competition wall.  Because of range of corners, slabs, grooves and aretes, this wall is generally better suited to easy/mid grade routes than the middle of the main wall. There will be lots of new routes between the grades of 5+ & 6b getting set in the next two weeks. So check them out! 

I hope this was of some help.

Neil McGeachy

EICA: Ratho (Route setter/ instructor)

P.s. Awesome user name by the way!  : Cheesy
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ShinyDiscoBalls
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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2010, 11:43:24 am »

Hi Neil

Thank you very much for taken time to reply.

As I thought the middle section is too overhanging for easier routes Sad

I will be looking forward to trying some of the new routes as I have never climbed on the old comp wall. I think you are right I need to up my game and try some of the harder routes Smiley to half height and build this into my training.

Thanks again and keep up the good work.

SDB
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« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2010, 09:30:33 pm »

Dudes - the current spread of routes and their quality is totally mindblowing at the moment. We climbers 'ave never had it so good' especially now the temp has risen a few notches. There are enough routes to keep me busy for the rest of the year at the moment. Top job by all the setters - the boulders are awesome too!
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« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2010, 11:52:03 am »

Thanks Madfoxdog,

The new Cherry picker has made a huge difference with route turn over recently. We also have a full team of crack route setters that will be working their magic, so lots and lots of quality new routes and problems being set on a regular basis!

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